Billy the Ex-Bethelite

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  Guess I said more than I should have about "the truth"

  by paradisebeauty in

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  a sister came by my house today.

  not to see how i was or why i have not been to meetings for the past months - she needed to borrow some money for the upcoming convention.

  we chatted a little, and i cound not keep my mouth shut about some questions i have and some discoveries i made about the doctrine.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  This sister is "relying on Jehovah". You know, just like the GB is relying on Jehovah by begging for more money from the R & F.

  It's becoming a religion that begs for money, yet condemns education and gainful employment that really earns money.
  
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  Guess I said more than I should have about "the truth"

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  a sister came by my house today.

  not to see how i was or why i have not been to meetings for the past months - she needed to borrow some money for the upcoming convention.

  we chatted a little, and i cound not keep my mouth shut about some questions i have and some discoveries i made about the doctrine.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  But I have the feeling she will talk to one of them...

  So if the elduhs come asking questions, you can say, "hmmm, Sister Whackadoodle came by trying to borrow money and when I said I wasn't comfortable lending, she got furious and made a bunch of threats about how she could make a lot of trouble for me. I guess she figured out how to use you to do her dirty work. Did you happen to loan her the money she wants?"
  
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  Back in the Basement

  by LostGeneration in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  looks like the faithful jws are back in the basement, the oct 15th wt has this image on page 9. but now the lights have been turned out!

  i guess the persecution is really kicking in if the electric company has shut off their electricity, or the jws are really, really paranoid that the government is gonna get them if they have the lights on!.

  only one guy is smart enough to use his tablet (far right), the rest of the jws are old school, using a lantern to read their bibles in the dark!

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  So have they designed a large dark basement for Warwick?
  
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  An experience of just how screwed over Wt has got them.

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  although i find this unsurprising, i think it worth mentioning as it demonstrates a point.

  i know a brother in chile, and i wanted confirmation on the flag flying outside the kh in that country.

  he said he was unaware of it.

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  There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
  
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  Lett likes big butts, and he always lies.

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the parody video is being released before the "official" release on sunday!.

  video being re-edited...stand by.. edit: here is the re-cut with wingcommander's excellent input.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5h1cj527s4.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Yep. Still hilarious.
  
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  No end to JW logic, Oranges can make you gay

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was told that today by a jw...no more to say.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Of course, this would mean that Anita Bryant was actually promoting homosexuality.
  

  Her homophobia was all a smokescreen:
  

  Here she is, seducing two children with gay oranges!
  
  
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  John 21:23 a new argument for JW's regarding false prophecy promoted being OK

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  i want as many minds put into this as possible.. there is a new argument among the extreme jw apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes.

  they base themselves on john 21:23. keep in mind, i am not a believer but i want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.. .

  nwt:.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Good points listed already. Here's a couple of points I've used:

  • (Let's say I still think the bible is relevant.) The Bible contains many cautionary tales of the errors that MEN have made. Here the disciples jumped to a wrong conclusion. In 2 Kings 22:20, a "true prophet" told Josiah that he would be gathered to his "own graveyard in peace". But he didn't die in peace, he died in a war with Egypt. Another example that comes quickly to mind is the lying prophet from Bethel. So are we to conclude when someone claims to predict the future? They will be wrong. And from some of these examples, following these people can kill us.
  • (More accurately, since I don't think the bible is relevant.) Oh, so you're saying that Jesus inspired false prophecy among his disciples? Is this your plan to build my confidence in the bible by pointing out how it is chock full of errors? And that I should have confidence in the false prophecies of WT because the bible also has false prophecies?
    
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  No end to JW logic, Oranges can make you gay

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was told that today by a jw...no more to say.

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  Oranges make you gay? Utter nonsense!

  We all know that it's bananas that make you gay, at least I think that's what these two dudes were trying to explain.
  
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  Wedding with a sad side

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so the family attended a wedding this weekend that we had coming up for a while.

  the man getting married (a close relative of my wife) is the son of an (now) elder.

  he was baptized young.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  Their pitiful behavior is happifying to the cult leaders and their Bronze Age make-believe god.

  I'm assuming that my parents wouldn't attend my wedding since I won't be marrying a "sister".
  
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  Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

  page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

  "elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  We asked experienced elders in some 20 Western lands to tell us why they think some young brothers shy away from accepting congregation privileges.

  A few things of note:

  • If there are "experienced elders", that means that there are also "inexperienced elders". So they admit that not all elders are up to providing an answer to this question that the Corporation wants to hear.
  • By "experienced", I'm assuming they mean "old". So they asked the old elders what's going on with these young people. In my experience with old elders, they're usually pretty clueless about what what's going on with any of the younger generation.
  • And the Corporation is looking for hearsay, rather than any direct answers. Clearly there was no direct inquiry of these "young brothers". Instead, they look for the old-timers to guess what's the deal.
    

  Among the answers received,one stands out: While they were growing up, some young ones were not encouraged to pursue spiritual goals.

  Again, more things of note:

  • First and foremost, they don't say it is the most common answer, or frequent, or even that they heard it twice. It's only stated, "one stands out." What does that even mean? Since they say, "among the answers received," what were the other answers and why does this one stand out from them? I would assume that none of the other answers suited the purposes of the Corporation.
  • And they say, "some young ones". What's the stats there? 2 or 3 out of thousands? Basically, this whole thing is what is called "a fishing expedition." WT wasn't really looking for any real reasons. They were only looking for some old-timers that would repeat what they were already writing this article about.
    
  • Clearly, they are only looking to the "born ins" to shoulder these "congregation privileges". This makes it pretty clear that there isn't much growth coming from "the field".
  • Since they are pointing at guys born-in that are 20s to 30s, they are looking for those that would be the age of my children... if I had any. Since I was coming of age in the 1980s and an obedient WT drone. I was obedient to the direction about the blessings of singleness and "responsible childbearing in this time of the end". Of the kids born in that era, their parents were "spiritually weak" and weren't "paying attention to the nearness of the end of this system." And there were those kids of single moms or with UBMs. Those of us that were "strong JWs" and were obedient, didn't have kids. So why is the Corporation surprised that the "young brothers" this age weren't "encouraged to pursue spiritual goals"? Their parents weren't interested in "spiritual goals" themselves. Why would this be a surprise to anyone at WT? Didn't they read their litteratrash and attend their crapventions where marriage and kids were not in harmony with WT's purposes.